Q1 2025 Trade Desk Inc Earnings Call

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Participants

Chris Toth; Vice President, Investor Relations; Trade Desk Inc

Jeffrey Green; Chairman of the Board, President, Chief Executive Officer; Trade Desk Inc

Laura Schenkein; Chief Financial Officer; Trade Desk Inc

Shyam Patil; Anayst; Susquehanna International Group LLP

Vasily Karasyov

Justin Patterson; Analyst; KeyBanc Capital Markets Inc

Matt Swanson; Analyst; RBC Capital Markets

Jessica Reif Ehrlich; Analyst; BofA Securities

Unidentified Participant

Presentation

Operator

Greetings. Welcome to The Trade Desk first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. (Operator Instructions) Please note, this conference is being recorded. I will now turn the conference over to your host, Chris Toth. You may begin.

Chris Toth

Thank you, operator. Hello, and good afternoon to everyone. Welcome to The Trade Desk first quarter 2025 earnings conference call. On the call today are Co-Founder and CEO, Jeff Green; and Chief Financial Officer, Laura Schenkein. A copy of our earnings press release is available on our website in the Investor Relations section at thetradedesk.com. Please note that aside from historical information, today's discussion and our responses during the Q&A may include forward-looking statements. These statements are subject to risks and uncertainties and reflect our views and assumptions as of the date such statements are made.
Actual results may vary significantly and we expressly disclaim any obligation to update the forward-looking statements made today. If any of our beliefs or assumptions prove incorrect, actual financial results could differ materially from our projections or those implied by these forward-looking statements.
For a detailed discussion of risks, including the most recent economic volatility, please refer to the risk factors mentioned in our press release and our most recent SEC filings. In addition to our GAAP financial results, we present supplemental non-GAAP financial data. A reconciliation of the GAAP to non-GAAP measures is available in our earnings press release. We believe that presenting these non-GAAP measures, alongside our GAAP results offers a more comprehensive view of the company's (technical difficulty).
I will now turn the call over to Co-Founder and CEO, Jeff Green. Jeff?

Jeffrey Green

Thanks, Chris. Thank you for joining us today. As many of you know, in Q4, we experienced a setback as we undertook the most significant company upgrade in our 16-year history. I won't revisit the details today, but as company scale and complexity increases, changes and upgrades become necessary to unlock the next wave of growth. That's exactly what we did. And now we are beginning to see encouraging signs that the changes we made were the right ones.
As you've seen from the press release, despite increasing economic uncertainty, we showed incredible resilience, growing revenue 25% year over year, far surpassing our own expectations. We continue to grow at a rate significantly higher than the broad digital marketing industry and gain market share. As you know, we have a long history of setting goals and hitting them. We're happy to report that we did it again.
We also have a long history of growing faster than all of the other scaled players in our industry, and we did that again, too. Today, I want to focus on just three topics. First, the macro environment; second, the open Internet and some of the significant changes and market shifts that have happened recently. And third, all of the upgrades we've made at TTD, including the latest updates to Kokai.
First, the macro environment. As I mentioned before, Q4 was relatively stable, though signs of volatility we're building beneath the surface have made a contentious election cycle. That pressure intensified in Q1 with growing concern among clients. As you know, our primary clients are the largest brands in the world and the agencies that serve them. All of whom are navigating increasing volatility so far in 2025. This makes us especially proud of our performance in Q1.
Our team clearly demonstrated that we are committed to growing our business in any environment. And in this environment, we aim to be a source of vision and stability for our clients. We knew that we had something to prove in Q1, and we're proud to once again say we beat our own expectations. Programmatic advertising is extremely agile. Because our technology buys one impression at a time and evaluates every single impression, we can adjust quickly. We also can be more data-driven than the other forms of advertising.
So in an environment when CMOs and CFOs are trying to do more with less. We can provide them with the tools and the results that they're looking for. Most CMOs and most CFOs are planning for a range of macro scenarios, and we are often a trusted partner in helping them strategies. When the large brands are facing comparatively tough times, we are focused on grabbing land. In macro environments with headwinds, our short-term success is better measured in how much land we ramp.
In this environment, we want to win market share from our competitors. We did the same thing during the pandemic. While consumers stayed home to stay safe, they also accelerated their move to streaming. We adjusted our business to work from home, and we grab land.
In other words, we won share from everyone else. Headwinds have historically accelerated the move to programmatic because of its data, its control, its agility and of course, its performance. But those same headwinds have also accelerated the market share gains of The Trade Desk, which is a good segue to topic number two.
So let's now talk about the open Internet and it's some changes. I want to share something that we put in the Trade Desk business plan 16 years ago before we've written even a single line of code. We argue to potential investors then that at end state, there will be 10 or less scaled DSPs. We think most of them will be conflicted. We thought then that most DSPs would compromise their objectivity with buyers in order to promote their own content. Walled gardens biased their own content at the expense of media buyers who look to seek value and performance across the entire ecosystem.
The walled garden business models are inherently flawed because over the long term, their fiduciary duty to grow for shareholders is at odds with what is in the best interest of the agencies and advertisers which is to objectively buy media from all over a competitive, massively scaled digital media landscape where no single company can possibly own all of the good media.
The Trade Desk is pointed at the entire open Internet, and nearly all of global advertising will be transacted programmatically at end state. We are convinced that based on the current landscape and current competitive set, we are the best positioned to win the lion's share of market share at end state. We simply need to execute between here and there.
But so far this year, there have been some massive shifts that have significantly upgraded the prospects of the open Internet and the Trade Desk. Here are a few of them. First, Google has been declared an illegal monopoly in two separate instances in 2025 by the US courts. Of course, the same has happened in various government cases all over the world. Google and Meta have both been under scrutiny for auction mechanics. In the recent lawsuit collagens Meta, the complaint argues Meta used a flawed blended price auction process to price and implement advertisements instead of the second price auction process is purported to use.
In the Google trial, the judge concluded that part of the violation of antitrust laws was the result of the implementation of first look that require publishers to use DoubleClick for publishers or DFP to offer Google's Ad Exchange, AdX, a right of first refusal for each ad impression. This had the effect of allowing AdX advertisers to win auctions even when advertisers on rival exchanges were willing to pay higher prices for the impression. They concluded that the use of last look was also problematic and illegal for Google to use in their deceptively named product open bidding.
Just a few days ago, US federal judge ruled that Spotify can have a payment relationship directly with the consumer that is not mediated via Apple. As Associate Director of Communications and Government Relations of Spotify put it, after nearly a decade, this will finally allow us to freely show clear pricing information and links to purchase. There is more work to do, but today represents a significant milestone for developers and entrepreneurs everywhere who want to build and compete on a more level playing field.
In our opinion, this creates a very significant boundary for the draconian tactics of walled gardens. Fourth, Google announced that it is not going to eradicate cookies from its market-leading Chrome browser. So naturally, you may ask, what do all these changes mean for -- the Trade Desk and the open Internet. First, we've been winning share in the DSP race year after year and quarter after quarter. And we've done that in an unfair market. We think the signal that comes from all of these ships is that one that points to a more fair and more competitive market, which is what we built our business for. Our model is designed to compete.
As we've said before, if we can win share in an unfair market against the biggest tech players in the world, as we have over the last 15 years, imagine what we can do in a fair market. As it relates to cookies, the reversal is helpful for display advertising and browser-based advertising, but that is a small percentage of our business at this point. The more important takeaway from that shift is that our view of the world and vision for the future is getting closer and was validated once again.
Google used privacy as a shield to do anticompetitive themes. We responded and found a way to win anyway. 2025 may have some macro headwinds, but the open Internet has never been in a better place than it is today. Many have asked what the likely impact of the most recent DOJ victory over Google will be. I think the courts are slow. However, I do expect most walled gardens to behave differently. Google is already beginning to turn down and turn off some of the draconian and illegal practices of the past. This will create a fairer marketplace.
While these changes impact the buy side less than the sell side, I expect that the supply chain will be more competitive, which is good for both the buy and the sell sides of the supply chain. The restraints and changes in behavior that we're already seeing from these companies are expected to continue, and as a result, SSPs will finally be able to compete and the net effect of these changes is a healthier ecosystem and a thriving open Internet.
As I've mentioned on these calls before, I've long believed that Google essentially acts as the defendant, the plaintiff, the judge, the jury, the court reporter and the bailer in many ad transactions. This conflict of interest is clearly not in the interest of advertisers who want to bid on and buy ad impressions in a fair (technical difficulty) which may take some time. I believe it's imperative that Google relinquished some of the roles that they currently play in the marketplace.
Doing so will significantly improve competition, transparency and fairness in the ad market for all participants. I continue to believe that Google will stop trying to monetize the open Internet and instead focus more on their destinations. I expect that Amazon will continue on the same path. DB360 is primarily technology to buy YouTube. Amazon's DSP is primarily a product built to buy Amazon's Prime video which is a good segue to my last point about the open Internet before I discuss and focus on the Trade Desk.
Because of the pressure on consumers over the last two quarters, CTV and streamers have invested more into advertising. We're seeing more supply than demand in all forms of advertising, but that is especially important in CTV. In general, this dynamic makes for more of a buyer's market, but additionally, this is having a great impact on market dynamics. As a result, in general, CTV companies are once again leading the supply dynamics of the open Internet. They are plugging directly into our demand. They are also describing their supply in greater detail than ever. Nearly every scaled player has adopted UID2 and those that have not are under monetizing their inventory.
We expect that the market dynamics are going to create the best ad-funded television experience for consumers in the history of television. They will see fewer ads. They will be personally relevant and these fewer ads will make more money for content owners than linear and broadcast ever did, and they will perform better for advertisers per dollar than spray and pray ever did.
Let's not forget something that we've asserted for the entirety of this decade. CTV is the kingpin of the open Internet. And the open Internet is where all of the most beloved content of the Internet exists. The open Internet monetizes movies, television, journalism, music and sports. This change in market supply and demand is a good transition to the themes that are happening at The Trade Desk.
One of the most important upgrades we're making at TTD is to the supply chain of programmatic itself. Innovations such as OpenPath, are very important to the future of the open Internet. OpenPath is gaining wider adoption across the industry. And as a result, advertisers are giving clear line of sight into exactly what they are buying. And it also provides publishers with a much clearer view of what advertisers are willing to pay. We are seeing example after example of the benefits that OpenPath is providing.
Arena Group publishes major titles such as Men's Journal and Parade. They boast more than 100 million visitors per month. With OpenPath, they were able to increase their fill rates by 4x and improved programmatic revenue by 79%, all because they are able to provide advertisers, our clients with clear visibility into what they're buying. (inaudible) dozens more examples -- the New York Post saw its digital advertising fill rate increase more than 8x and programmatic revenue increased 97% with Openpath.
In the world of CTV, VIZIO sats programmatic revenue increased 39% and another major network saw their fill rate increase 7x, leading to a revenue increase of over 25%. To be clear, Openpath does not represent the Trade Desk getting into the supply side of the market. OpenPathis not built to help publishers with yield management or ad serving. We're very hopeful that innovations like OpenPath will prompt supply chain innovation and efficiencies across the industry. And if we accomplish that, we will help our clients put more ad dollars to work.
We don't expect OpenPath to be the only supply chain for us. We don't expect it to even be the primary one especially given the fact that SSPs now have a better chance to compete than they did before the Google verdict. However, OpenPath is a canary in the coal mine that helps us better understand the supply chain. And often, the games and tactics of obfuscation are best discovered through some form of AB testing. OpenPath is keeping exchanges and SSPs in check so that we don't have to wait on government to untangle corrupt practices like those recently exposed at Google.
Another massive upgrade we have made to improve the supply chain was the acquisition of Sincera. Most outside of ad tech don't know the company. So for the uninitiated, Sincera is a metadata company that crawls the Internet looking for insights about the supply chain of advertising, and seeks to shine a light of transparency on that supply chain. Following the acquisition, we have been working to invest Sincera data across Kokai, so our clients can have as much data and signal as possible about ad performance. But it doesn't stop there.
In the coming months, we plan to relaunch their product for the ad tech community and offer a new version of Sincera called Open Sincera. This product will be free to advertisers, to agencies, to ad tech companies, to sellers and to publishers who want to better understand the supply chain and how to make it more efficient.
Let's talk now about our progress on Kokai. The core of Kokai has been delivered and adoption is now ahead of schedule. Around two-third of our clients are now using it and the bulk of the spend in our platform is now running through Kokai. We expect all clients to be using it by the end of the year. One thing about Kokai that I would like to underline whenever we go through a platform overhaul like this, and this is the biggest in our history, we are always trying to balance giving clients exactly what they want versus pushing the industry forward.
We're in a tremendously privileged position of being the largest platform pointed at the open Internet, looking across roughly 17 million opportunities a second, along with the most premium inventory and data sources in the world. From that vantage point, we know how marketers can get the most out of their campaigns and we know how to help them utilize the power of programmatic. Bringing a broader, more strategic perspective to media buying has always been central to our approach, helping our clients and industry innovate and move forward.
I'm confident that by the end of this year, we will reflect on Kokai as the most powerful buying platform the industry has ever seen, precisely because it combines client needs with the strong point of view on where value is shifting and how to deliver the most efficient return on ad spend.
We will introduce the final major components of Kokai, including a revolutionary new approach for understanding and managing the performance of deals. One of the most important things we do to realize the value of programmatic. We will also continue to improve the polish, the navigation and the usability. But to be clear, Kokai has already proven itself and the results are fantastic. The injection of our industry-leading CoA AI tools across every aspect of our platform has been a game changer, and we are just getting started.
Let me outline a conundrum that marketers are currently facing, and I hear this from CMOs and agency leaders on an almost daily basis. Walled gardens are easy to use and marketers can use them for easy access to what I would call cheap reach or put another way, let me reach as many people as possible as quickly and cheaply as possible. All as measured by those walled gardens themselves. The problem begins when the metrics provided by those walled gardens don't line up with actual business outcomes over time.
So for example, Walled Garden Measurement may tell an advertiser, they've accounted for 1 million toothbrush sales this quarter, but they only actually sold 0.5 million, those measurement disparities over time create misalignment for marketers and the businesses they're supporting, all because of the attraction of cheap reach. This trend is a major driver of demand for open Internet alternatives. But compared to the ease of Walled Gardens, where the supply chain is controlled by one company, the Internet is more complex. But the outcomes. When we help marketers manage that complexity are exponentially better. More and more marketers are recognizing this, and they are embracing Kokai as a way to unlock the full value and performance potential of the open Internet.
One great example is Deutsche Telekom. They're running the streaming TV service called Magenta TV, and they use our platform to try to grow their subscriber base, working with their agency in metric. Using seed data from their existing customers, Deutsche Telekom was able to use the advanced AI tools in our Kokai platform to find new customers and define the right ad impressions across display and CTV, most relevant to retain those new customers successfully, and the results were very impressive. They saw an 11x improvement in post-click conversions attributed to advertising and an 18x improvement in the cost of those conversions.
Deutsche Telekom is now planning to use Kokai across more campaigns, a transition that is fairly typical as clients move from our previous platform, Solamar to our newer, more advanced AI fuel platform, Kokai. They begin by testing Kokai on several initial campaigns, seeing meaningful performance improvements and then expand Kokai's use across all of their campaigns. And across all verticals, clients that are adopting Kokai are realizing major benefits. For example, on average, clients that have shifted over have seen a 42% reduction in cost per unique reach.
We are also working with clients beyond typical brand and reach metrics. Kokai is delivering on lower funnel KPIs, including 24% lower cost per conversion and 20% lower cost per acquisition. These improvements are helping unlock performance budgets from new and existing clients. And thanks to the work we've done in our data marketplace to increase the discoverability of third-party data campaigns on Kokai used roughly 30% more data elements per impression. All of these efficiencies mean more dollars can be reinvested and put to work.
Lastly, I mentioned in our last call that we've made significant upgrades across the company. In engineering, we now have over 100 scrums all shipping product every week. We've overhauled the product process. And as a result, business and product and engineering are more in sync than they've been in years. We simplified our go-to-market teams and their org structures. While it is still early, we are already seeing green shoots. Our JVP pipeline and the number of JVPs in active contract negotiations are at all-time highs.
We've hired a new COO, Vivid Kandra. He joined the company as our new Chief Operating Officer. So that may be a well-known name to many of you as he was the first ever Chief Information Officer for the United States Federal Government back in 2009. But perhaps most relevant to us, he spent several years at Salesforce and is a key driver of growth at a time when they were pretty much the same size and scale as we are now. These kind of appointments will help us achieve our very own high-growth expectations in the years ahead.
So let me close by reiterating that we are highly encouraged by the improvements to our business that led to our outperformance in the first quarter. As we continue to progress and improve as a company, we are confident in our ability to continue to outpace the market moving forward, but our eyes are on the horizon. And we maintain the assertion that we put in our business plan 16 years ago. The largest independent and objective DSP will command the lion's share of market share at end state.
Today, we control less than 2% of the global advertising TAM, leaving us with an extraordinary runway for growth in front of us. So far this year, walled gardens have been put in check from governments -- regardless of the actual remedies, I believe this is a very important moment for the open Internet, not just because the remedies may lead to a substantially fair marketplace in which the Trade Desk and everyone else competes on a more level footing but also because this process has done a great deal to shine a light on the power of the open Internet in contrast to the limitations of walled garden.
We have been winning in an unfair market -- we are even more confident we can win in a fair market. While we can't control the macro environment, we continue to grow at a healthy pace and consistently generate strong EBITDA and free cash flow. The pace at which we're increasing our pipeline and signing new joint business plans indicates that we are becoming an indispensable partner in our clients' business growth, and we anticipate grabbing land. Over the rest of this year, depending on what the macro environment throws at us, we'll either grab land or accelerate growth, but either way, the destination on the horizon is the same. It's why we will never stop innovating.
Kokai is perhaps our biggest engineering achievement yet, and it is helping clients get the full value of the open Internet and manage the complexity of the open Internet at the same time. Even as all of the features of Kokai are fully launched. We will continue to iterate and ship product every week. As I said, Kokai adoption now represents the majority of our spend, almost two-third, a significant acceleration from where we ended 2024, and clients are seeing major campaign improvements as a result.
We continue to innovate and make the supply chain more efficient through products like Open Path and the enhancements we've started launching throughout our platform with the acquisition of Sincera. Our CTV and retail business continued to gain momentum and brands are continuing to see tremendous value with the Walmart DSP. I know I said this earlier, but I want to say it again and be super clear. I have never been more optimistic and excited about the future of the open Internet. Major trends are making the open Internet more attractive to advertisers than ever and the trade desk could bringing to market the kinds of innovations that will help marketers truly unlock the value in a way that will drive business growth and differentiation for them.
And with that, I'll pass the baton to Laura, who will give you more color on the quarter.